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Vladimir Gritsenko
Dec 28, 2021
Any recommendations regarding the Route VI game? I feel completely disoriented at even simple progressions, like there's nothing for me to latch on to to make even an educated guess. It doesn't help that "listen again" button only repeats the chord progression in question, without (what I'm guessing is) the arpeggiated I chord. Is that supposed to be like that? Is it possible to repeat the I chord at the beginning?
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Amar Sadikovic
Dec 28, 2021
This should help for the first 20 levels. The first three notes you hear make up the tonic. Listen to it closely and recognize if it's major or minor. That chord will be one of the next three chords played. Try to figure out if it's the first, second or third chord. Listen for the chord quality of all the chords, i.e. if they are major, minor, diminished, 7 etc. And last, but certainly not least, focus on the bass notes. Look for movement. Check out the possible answers and choose the one that ticks the most boxes. Remember when listening to the bass that a descending bassline doesn't necessarily mean that the progression is something like V-IV-I, it can also be I-V-IV. Same goes for ascending basslines. You'll get the hang of it quickly.
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Toyama Tokanawa
Dec 28, 2021
Which level are you at currently? The initial 10 or so levels are all doable if you're only familiar with the basic I-IV-V-I cadence. If you get that stuck in your head, all you have to do is compare what you hear against it.
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Amar Sadikovic
Dec 28, 2021
I'm at 35. Yeah, developing sound memory is very important.
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yooval mann
Dec 29, 2021
Excellent and thorough advice Amar! The only thing I would recommend doing differently is the order of working it out, I would first recommend developing an ear for the bass and the bass movement.
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Adam Scherer
Dec 29, 2021
I was doing "OK" with the bass movement method, but did learn rather quickly what Amar noted "Remember when listening to the bass that a descending bassline doesn't necessarily mean that the progression is something like V-IV-I, it can also be I-V-IV."
Still on Level 5, and getting a feel for the cadences.
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Vladimir Gritsenko
Dec 29, 2021
Thank you for the advice. I am at level 4. This should be very simple, but I can't even make out the bass notes of the chords (whatever I'm trying to sing back sounds harmonious, but I have no idea if I'm producing the bass, melody, just some random harmony my brain decided to fixate on). The only way this makes sense is if I try to find the chords on my instrument, which I can do, but that feels like cheating. Bah :(

EDIT: after some initial frustration (and more cheating on the instrument), I got a little better at hearing the bass line. Still, feels like without my instrument I wouldn't be able to tell the intervals. Should I work on the intervals first and return to the chords later?
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Riv Kah
Dec 29, 2021
Definitely being good at intervals and identifying the bass has been key for me. For the chord-deaf bass player that I am, that trick has taken me to the level 50 so far: Finding the intervals within the bassline and making sure it fits with the grades and scale.
But it all depends on what are you naturally good at, if you are better at identifying chords than I am (you are, cause anybody is), maybe other approaches work for you better. Although in general I would say that being great at identifying intervals is key, cause in a more direct or indirect way, it's present in almost any other game (it's what makes you identify scales, sing partitures, find the progressions with the bass, break down chords, the callibrator, etc.).
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DanielS _
Dec 29, 2021
try this short tutorial, maybe will helps You.

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Colin Aiken
Dec 30, 2021
Watch the video by @DanielS Very helpful and Daniel your English is fine.
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Craig Cunningham
Dec 30, 2021
Excellent Job. Daniel. Thank you. Please make. Ore tutorials like this
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Francisco Albisua
Dec 30, 2021
i agree that route VI should at least play the tonic note (if not the tonic chord) before the progression when you click on listen again.
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Adam Scherer
Dec 31, 2021
@Francisco Albisua - that sounds like a great idea. It should maybe be an option? And certainly should be part of the "Compare Answers" feature.
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Ely Oaks
Jan 01
I agree with the other guys! You should be able to play the tonic note again.
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wonder if the staff read these forums posts once in a while... or is there a way to provide feedback to them?
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I tried tweeting @ them, let's see how that goes :)
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Tom Belknap
Jan 04
I always listen for the bass note first! If you get the cadence of the bass, there's good chance you'll understand the chords that go over it.
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Patience, keep practicing and you will notice small differences, it takes time, and it's true, the bass helps.